obama than paul ryan did for mitt romney. >> but when you look at the cnn/orc poll that asks the question, who is in touch with the problems of people like you -- this is an area in which joe biden is considered to be very, very strong, right? he is the guy who talks to the middle class, did that a lot last night in the debate. it was actually paul ryan who was ahead. the polling there was 51% for paul ryan, 44% for joe biden. doesn't that make it impossible to read that as a victory for the democrats in an area that joe biden is supposed to be really strong in? >> i think these snap polls right after the debate aren't necessarily the best snapshot of how voters really feel about these debates. and they take a look at it over the course of time and see whose facts added up and whose facts didn't add up. when you saw paul ryan really pressed on the math of their tax plan, it opened that argument all the over again. because he really just couldn't make the math work. and he couldn't explain it in a way that the american people could be comfortable with. now, he says that there'